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Separation Rates for Vehicles on Perpendicular Roads

Learn to relate the vehicles’ signed speeds to the instantaneous rate at which the distance between them changes.

Intermediate 9 min read

What You'll Learn

  • Set up the separation equation for vehicles on perpendicular roads
  • Distinguish signed position rates from speed magnitudes
  • Differentiate the Pythagorean constraint with respect to time
  • Find the separation rate at a specified instant
  • Interpret a positive, negative, or zero separation rate
  • Check a related-rates equation using units and substitution

How perpendicular motion determines separation

Two vehicles can travel on roads that cross at a right angle while moving at different speeds and in different directions. Even when each vehicle’s motion is simple, the distance between them changes according to both motions together. The Pythagorean theorem gives a constraint connecting their positions to their separation; differentiating that constraint relates their rates.

The central issue is to keep track of direction. A vehicle moving toward the intersection has a negative position rate if its coordinate is measured outward from the intersection. A vehicle moving away has a positive position rate. These signed rates determine whether the vehicles’ contributions make their separation grow or shrink.

The perpendicular-road model

Place the intersection of the roads at the origin. Let the roads lie along perpendicular coordinate axes. At time \(t\), suppose the first vehicle has signed coordinate \(x(t)\) on one road and the second has signed coordinate \(y(t)\) on the other. Let \(z(t)\) be the distance between the vehicles.

The vehicles’ positions can be represented by \((x(t),0)\) and \((0,y(t))\). Their horizontal and vertical coordinate differences have magnitudes \(|x(t)|\) and \(|y(t)|\). Because the roads are perpendicular, the Pythagorean theorem gives the constraint

$$ z(t)^2=x(t)^2+y(t)^2. $$
Definition: In the perpendicular-road model, \(x(t)\) and \(y(t)\) are signed coordinates measured along the two perpendicular roads, and \(z(t)\) is the nonnegative distance between the vehicles. Their positions satisfy \(z^2=x^2+y^2\).

If a vehicle remains on a fixed ray from the intersection, its coordinate can instead be described as its nonnegative distance from the intersection. In that description, the coordinate’s rate is positive when it moves away from the intersection and negative when it moves toward it. With signed coordinates on the full road axes, the sign of the rate is determined by the chosen positive direction. In either description, use the coordinates and their rates consistently.

Here \(dx/dt\) and \(dy/dt\) are signed rates of position, not necessarily speed magnitudes. A speed magnitude is nonnegative; a signed coordinate rate can be negative. The separation rate \(dz/dt\) is also signed: a positive value means the separation is increasing, and a negative value means it is decreasing.

Deriving the separation-rate equation

Differentiate the Pythagorean constraint with respect to time. The quantities \(x\), \(y\), and \(z\) all depend on time, so the chain rule must be applied to each square.

1
Start with the geometric constraint.
\(z^2=x^2+y^2\) holds at each time because the roads are perpendicular.
2
Differentiate each time-dependent term.
\(2z\,dz/dt=2x\,dx/dt+2y\,dy/dt\), by the chain rule.
3
Solve for the requested rate.
When \(z>0\), divide by \(2z\) to obtain \(dz/dt=(x\,dx/dt+y\,dy/dt)/z\).
Rate formula: If the vehicles are not at the same point, so \(z>0\), then $$ \frac{dz}{dt} = \frac{x\,\frac{dx}{dt}+y\,\frac{dy}{dt}}{z}, \qquad z=\sqrt{x^2+y^2}. $$ The formula follows by differentiating \(z^2=x^2+y^2\) and dividing by \(2z\).

This derivation explains why both vehicles’ motion matters. The term \(x\,dx/dt\) is the first coordinate’s contribution to the rate equation, while \(y\,dy/dt\) is the second coordinate’s contribution. Depending on the signs, the contributions can reinforce or partly cancel each other.

The division by \(z\) requires \(z>0\). If the vehicles are at the same point, then \(z=0\), and the differentiated equation becomes \(0=0\) at that instant; it does not determine \(dz/dt\). The distance may need to be analyzed directly around that time.

Worked examples

Worked Example: Both vehicles move away from the intersection

Two vehicles travel on perpendicular roads. At a particular instant, one is \(3\) miles from the intersection and moving away at \(40\) miles per hour. The other is \(4\) miles from the intersection and moving away at \(30\) miles per hour. Find the rate at which their separation is changing.

Choose coordinates increasing away from the intersection on each vehicle’s ray. At the instant in question, \(x=3\) miles, \(dx/dt=40\) miles per hour, \(y=4\) miles, and \(dy/dt=30\) miles per hour. First find the separation:

$$ z=\sqrt{x^2+y^2} =\sqrt{(3\text{ mi})^2+(4\text{ mi})^2} =\sqrt{9+16}\text{ mi} =5\text{ mi}. $$

Substitute these values into the rate formula:

$$ \begin{aligned} \frac{dz}{dt} &=\frac{x\,\frac{dx}{dt}+y\,\frac{dy}{dt}}{z}\\ &=\frac{(3\text{ mi})(40\text{ mi/h})+(4\text{ mi})(30\text{ mi/h})}{5\text{ mi}}\\ &=\frac{120+120}{5}\text{ mi/h}\\ &=48\text{ mi/h}. \end{aligned} $$

The separation is increasing at \(48\) miles per hour at this instant. To check the differentiated constraint, the left side is \(2z\,dz/dt=2(5)(48)=480\text{ mi}^2/\text{h}\). The right side is \(2x\,dx/dt+2y\,dy/dt=2(3)(40)+2(4)(30)=240+240=480\text{ mi}^2/\text{h}\), as required.

Worked Example: Both vehicles approach the intersection

At a particular instant, one vehicle is \(5\) kilometres from the intersection and is moving toward it at \(6\) kilometres per hour. The other is \(12\) kilometres from the intersection and is moving toward it at \(2\) kilometres per hour. Find the rate of change of their separation.

Use coordinates that are positive outward along each vehicle’s ray. Moving toward the intersection means both coordinates are decreasing, so \(dx/dt=-6\) kilometres per hour and \(dy/dt=-2\) kilometres per hour. The positions are \(x=5\) kilometres and \(y=12\) kilometres. Their separation is

$$ z=\sqrt{5^2+12^2}\text{ km} =\sqrt{25+144}\text{ km} =13\text{ km}. $$

Apply the rate formula with the negative position rates:

$$ \begin{aligned} \frac{dz}{dt} &=\frac{(5)(-6)+(12)(-2)}{13}\text{ km/h}\\ &=\frac{-30-24}{13}\text{ km/h}\\ &=-\frac{54}{13}\text{ km/h}. \end{aligned} $$

The negative sign means the separation is decreasing. Its rate of decrease is \(54/13\) kilometres per hour, approximately \(4.15\) kilometres per hour. To check, \(2z\,dz/dt=2(13)(-54/13)=-108\text{ km}^2/\text{h}\). The right side is \(2(5)(-6)+2(12)(-2)=-60-48=-108\text{ km}^2/\text{h}\). The equation balances.

Worked Example: The separation has zero instantaneous rate

At a particular instant, one vehicle is \(8\) miles from the intersection and moving toward it at \(15\) miles per hour. The other is \(6\) miles from the intersection and moving away at \(20\) miles per hour. Find the instantaneous rate of change of their separation.

Measure each coordinate outward from the intersection. The given information becomes \(x=8\) miles, \(dx/dt=-15\) miles per hour, \(y=6\) miles, and \(dy/dt=20\) miles per hour. The separation is

$$ z=\sqrt{8^2+6^2}\text{ mi} =\sqrt{64+36}\text{ mi} =10\text{ mi}. $$

Substitute into the rate formula:

$$ \begin{aligned} \frac{dz}{dt} &=\frac{(8)(-15)+(6)(20)}{10}\text{ mi/h}\\ &=\frac{-120+120}{10}\text{ mi/h}\\ &=0\text{ mi/h}. \end{aligned} $$

At this instant, the separation has zero rate of change. The opposing contributions cancel. This conclusion is instantaneous: it says the separation is not increasing or decreasing at that moment, not that it remains constant over an interval. For a direct check, \(2z\,dz/dt=2(10)(0)=0\text{ mi}^2/\text{h}\), and \(2x\,dx/dt+2y\,dy/dt=2(8)(-15)+2(6)(20)=-240+240=0\text{ mi}^2/\text{h}\).

Signs, units, and common pitfalls

The most common error is to replace signed position rates with positive speed magnitudes. In the second example, treating both inward speeds as positive would give the incorrect calculation

$$ \frac{dz}{dt} \mathrel{\color{red}{=}} \frac{(5)(6)+(12)(2)}{13} =\frac{54}{13}\text{ km/h}. $$

This calculation says the separation is increasing, even though both vehicles are approaching the intersection along their respective rays. The error is that the coordinates are decreasing, so their rates must be negative. The corrected calculation is

$$ \frac{dz}{dt} =\frac{(5)(-6)+(12)(-2)}{13} =-\frac{54}{13}\text{ km/h}. $$

Use units as a consistency check. In the numerator, a position such as \(x\) has units of distance, and \(dx/dt\) has units of distance per time. Thus each product has units of distance squared per time. Dividing by \(z\), which has units of distance, leaves distance per time, the correct units for a separation rate.

Also make sure the geometry justifies the constraint. The equation \(z^2=x^2+y^2\) applies because the roads meet at a right angle. If the roads are not perpendicular, this particular Pythagorean model does not describe their separation. Finally, differentiate the constraint before substituting the measurements: the variables change with time, and the relation between their rates is obtained by differentiating the full equation.

A reliable setup for these problems

For a perpendicular-road separation problem, organize the calculation around the geometric constraint rather than trying to combine the vehicle speeds directly.

  1. Choose coordinates along the roads and state which directions are positive.
  2. Write \(z^2=x^2+y^2\), using \(z\) for the distance between the vehicles.
  3. Differentiate with respect to time, keeping the position rates signed.
  4. At the specified instant, find \(z\) from the current coordinates.
  5. Substitute the coordinates and signed rates, solve for \(dz/dt\), and interpret its sign.
  6. Check the units and substitute the result into the differentiated equation.

This procedure separates the geometric information from the motion information. The right-angle geometry supplies the equation; the signed rates describe how the current positions change. Together they determine the instantaneous change in separation.

Check Your Understanding

For each question, keep track of the coordinate directions and the signs of the position rates.

  1. Why does the perpendicular-road model give \(z^2=x^2+y^2\)?
  2. A vehicle moves toward the intersection while its coordinate is measured positive outward. Should its coordinate rate be positive or negative?
  3. At an instant when \(x=3\), \(y=4\), \(dx/dt=-2\), and \(dy/dt=1\), what is \(z\), and what is \(dz/dt\)?
  4. What does a negative value of \(dz/dt\) mean in this model?
  5. Why can the rate formula not be obtained by dividing by \(2z\) when \(z=0\)?

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